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Democrats Debate, Obama Wins
June 4, 2007 - 6:33am
New Hampshire, a state known for its political activism and involvement, and also the site of the first Democratic primary, played host to a Presidential debate between all eight Democratic candidates last night.
Overall, the format of the debate was excellent. Abandoning the rigid structure with candidates speaking in a predetermined order with the yellow and red timer lights really helped the candidates come alive. Wolf Blitzer, who did an excellent job of moderating the debate, used his freedom with such a flexible format, creating some good follow-up discussion and debate among the candidates. This became especially effective in drawing out the differences between the candidates. Speaking of which, since Cornell decided to choose our convocation speaker from CNN, why couldn't we choose Wolf Blitzer?
But enough on the format of the debate. Let's discuss the actual debate itself and my take on the top four performers in the debate. Even though I approach this from a liberal perspective, I probably have a different take since I'm naturally conservative, but hopefully you will appreciate this analysis from a former debater in high school.
1. Obama
Obama really differentiated himself on Iraq from other candidates by how he magnified the impact of Iraq, discussing on how it affects the real war on terror in Afghanistan and on the ability of the United States to deal with other nations such as Iran and Pakistan. No other candidate laid out the negative externalities of the Iraq war like he did.
I definitely noticed how Edwards teamed up with Obama against Hillary in the early part of the debate, as both traded compliments on Iraq and healthcare. When Edwards really tried to go after Obama on healthcare, he lost. I saw the most actual debate and clash in this moment of the debate, so that played a huge role in why I choose Obama.
Obama's healthcare views focused on driving down healthcare costs. Edwards required mandatory insurance and accused Obama's plan of creating gaps since it is not mandatory. Obama then proved how high healthcare costs can prevent people from buying insurance even if it is mandatory, creating gaps. Both plans create gaps, not just Obama's, but Obama's plan drives down costs. Obama's decision to mandate health are for children also blocked out another attack from Edwards about the advantage of mandatory healthcare, allowing Obama to sail smoothly to victory.
In general, Obama displayed a strong knowledge of the issues and talked specifics. When he started talking about how families feel financial strains from all sides with kids and college, retirement savings, gas prices, etc., Obama displayed some of his fine speaking skills and knowledge, whether on the topic of the country of Iraq or the small family and their needs.
2. Edwards
Edwards had many of the same strengths Obama did, especially on Iraq and healthcare. Although his attempt to overtake Obama on the issue of healthcare ultimately failed, he still benefited from their alliance and mutual compliments in the debate, propelling both to the top of the field.
On the issue of Iran, he delivered a very intelligent answer showing his excellent understanding of the political situation there. Also, I liked how he focused on reestablishing America's moral authority and standing in the world as his number one issue in the first 100 days. Furthermore, whenever Edwards answered his questions, he often made it a point to distinguish himself from other candidates, showing how he's better.
3. Biden
Biden obviously took an unconventional approach by supporting the war funding bill, but I really liked his approach and how he defended it. Discussing his reasons to continue to fund the war, Biden focused on why he was right and refused to focus on why others were wrong or even call them wrong. That put him on a higher ground than the other candidates in terms of character. Also, he cited specifically how voting against funding would have a real impact on protecting troops' lives from I.E.D. attacks. Everyone supports the troops as Obama mentioned, and Biden played off of that well, putting himself above politics on the vote.
His focus on practicality and reality also worked effectively, and Hillary even complemented his pragmatism when discussing Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Kucinich, who is too idealistic, provided another good opportunity to show the advantage of pragmatism. As much as the other candidates promised to do this or that on Iraq, Biden laid out the disturbing truth: under Bush, Democrats either had to put together 67 votes to override his veto or win in 2008 to safely reverse course in Iraq. Any other way could endanger the troops.
On the issue of immigration, he started by building off the excellent answer of Richardson and then further expanded on relating the legislation to its positive impact on the war on drugs. Responses like that demonstrated his broad knowledge of the issues and his experience in the Senate. Darfur also proved to be a strong point for Biden. He laid out a real strong case on why we need to act and not talk on Darfur, setting the tone for all future discussion on Darfur in the debate.
4. Clinton
Clinton had some good humor, some nice anti-Bush jabs, and some powerful sound bites, but she lacked substance beyond that. Obama opposed the war from the start but said little on Congress's war funding bill until he voted "No" in the end. Edwards voted for the original war but vocally opposed the new war funding bill. Hillary voted for the original war and stayed silent on the war funding bill until she voted in the end. While Obama and Edwards debated specific details of the other one's healthcare plan, Hillary had to discuss her unsuccessful attempt for universal healthcare back in the '90s.
Also, she refused to discuss how to deal with Iran if diplomacy does not work, dismissing it as a hypothetical situation, not even going into the topic of sanctions as others did. Hillary spent too much time dismissing “hypothetical” scenarios and questioning the questions. It can be done effectively once as Obama did on the question of English as the official language (he argued that it divided America and distracted from the real issues on immigration), but Hillary overdid it. While Obama gave specific reasons on why to target Osama bin Laden if civilian casualties would occur, Hillary asked for specifics on the question. She came off as indecisive and pretentious.

RE:
The Democrats are worthless. The Republicans are twice as worthless.
Republicans vs Democrats.
Republicans vs Democrats. Big difference here for I do not think either of them are worthless for they hold there offices by being appointed by the people. Hiliary in the debate did a overall great job. For the article says she did to much on not answering questions because of them being to hypothetical. I do not think she was. I mean look at the basis of the questions definetly one on Bin Laden "if you had intelligence on him that he is there would you attack?" well we had intelligence that there where wmd in Iraq. But overall in the Debate I would think Obama did the est in answering the questions as if he was going to be the president and Clinton answered them as she was in office and called President.
Debate
The big loser in this "debate" was Wolf Blitzer and CNN.
The placement on stage of the debaters, and the number of questions and time allowed for each debater, highlights a glaring problem with the U.S. election process. If the debates are intended to inform voters, then every candidate ought to be given equal respect, prominence, and an equal number of questions and response time. That didn't happen. It was clear who CNN and Blitzer favored, and who they didn't. The manipulation of the audience' time and attention was shameful, in my opinion.
The questions were inane. Is this the best that CNN could do?
As far as the candidates go, I thought every candidate had good points to make, and we obviously need to hear more from all but CNN's top three. I don't think a "winner" can be declared without offering an equal debating ground, and that wasn't there.
Debate
Thankyou for your analysis of the Democratic debate last night. It was refreshing to hear someone who wasn't in lock-step with the political pundits last in giving the
debate to Hillary Clinton. I myself thought John Edwards was very clear in presenting his positions on the different topics. I especially liked the answer he gave on the issue of the high price of oil. He said we should go after the oil companies and form a committee to investigate their practices. This was an immediate solution unlike the the other candidates who talked about our dependence on foreign oil which is a long term solution.
Another point I'd like to make which no one has addressed is the strategic placement of Hillary Clinton in the debate. She's always in the center which puts the spotlight on her. Granted she's the only woman candidate, but is that a valid reason to place her in the center? Isn't that discrimination? One of the pundits last night said that Senator Clinton was so strong that all of the other candidates eyes were on her. Of course, she was in the center and she spoke forcefully.
I give the debate to Edwards.
Thankyou for allowing me to respond.
Sincerely,
Georgianna Litwin
Russia
Did anyone mention that Russia is now aiming multiple nuclear warheads at Europe because of Bush's foreign policy?
Real intelligent question,
Real intelligent question, sunshine. On point with today's discussion too. You just figured that out recently did you? Russia has been doing that for around 60 years, you idiot, and it wasn't because of Bush. It's a secret but they don't like anyone. You ever heard of paranoia? Yep, many Russians suffer from it; you Russian? Besides, look at the up side, with all the existing world suffering, hunger, genocide and stupid, backward, insane people killing innocent people in the name of God no less, maybe the time is right for a specific battle with a few strategically aimed nukes. Thin the herd so to speak. What??? People will be killed? What else is new?
Debate
One could only be thankful for the analysis here concluding that Obama won if that is what they want to hear. But the so-called pundits are right. I mean, when even Hillary-hating, Obama-loving Arianna Huffington calls it Sen. Clinton's night, its time to let a little reality sink in.
Sen. Clinton is now the consesus winner of both debates. Why? The MSM? The Party power bosses? Some other unfair conspiracy? No. Its really quite simple: competence. She is the most informed, the most articulate, and far-and-away the most experienced of the candidates. After six-plus years of Bush incompetence, these traits are setting her apart from the field. As they should.
Are you an indiot? Read the
Are you an indiot? Read the polls and blogs and you will see Richardson came out the strongest...even an Obama fan said he is switching to Richardson.
CNN CLip
http://wa4richardson.blogspot.com/2007/06/obama-loses-supporter-to-bill.html
Blog
http://lloydletta.blogspot.com/2007/06/bill-richardson.html
Hillary Clinton keeps her front-runner status
I would disagree strongly with the article that Hillary is indecisive and evasive. On the contrary, as president of the United States, you have to exercise caution when dealing with foreign problems. The questions asked by Wolf Blitzer of CNN were too abstract and inherently fail to take into account important considerations such as collateral damage. Even Barack Obama found fault with the questions saying, "I don't want to raise my hand anymore." However, only Hillary summoned up the courage to speak out against these hypothetical questions. On the subject of Iran, Hillary exercised responsibility in saying that this administration has turned it's back to that country and that we cannot think of other courses of action when we have not exercised patient diplomacy. The only reason Obama answered definitively to hypotheticals is because he has yet to confront the realities of foreign relations. He conceded to Hillary that she played an important role in setting up alliances around the world. Thus, with foreign policy experience as the first lady and arguably, the co-president at the time, Hillary realizes that each situation has a specific set of circumstances that must be taken into account. Hillary won the debate because as the candidate with the most at stake, she managed to keep her front-runner status. Obama and Edwards were too distracted in trying to figure out who exercised leadership to excercise it themselves. I think Bill Richardson broke from the second-tier candidates and will be moving up in the polls due to his impressive performance.
Senator Hillary Clinton
"I'm going to vote for Senator Clinton as President of the United States, because she's a level headed thinker. Under her leadership as President of The United States, she will find ways to get the country back on track,i.e, her husband will be a roaming, foreign ambassador who will improve our foreign policy situation, as to where foreign countries will once again respect us as a caring, loving, helpful, nation. Under her leadership, the country's debt will be greatly reduced and the American dream will once again become a reality.
In my opinion, Senator Clinton, up to this point, has won all televised debates.
Wacker: You can pay my income tax and my war inflation tax, OK?
I tell you what Wacker. You are so insistent on seeing a warmonger, pro-Federal Reserve candidate climb into the Oval office chair... how about you pay both my Federal income tax and the hidden inflationary tax on my savings account to pay for neocon pre-emptive war?
You do that, and I'll consider voting for one of these neocons. You can be my personal hedge fund. Whaddya say?
Or we can hire Ron Paul for the job and you can still afford to take your pretty doe-eyed girlfriend out for martinis and sushi.
What's it gonna be, Wacker?